Art and Reality: a dialogue, part two

by Jon Rappoport

June 27, 2022

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So you’re saying, in art a turtle can become a cigarette.

Or a house or a cloud or a fountain pen.


There is no why.

There must be.

A person wants to change reality.

In absurd ways?

Sure. Why not?

Because other people won’t understand.

We keep coming back to that. What other people understand is not a religion, you know. You don’t have to pray to it.

But we all live in the same world.

By that proposition, we’d all have zero imagination.

So imagination breaks out of…


In calculated ways?

In all sorts of ways. You keep breaking out enough, those ways will change.

You’ll make turtles into spaceships.

If you want to.

Who would want to?

I don’t know. Anyone might.

Just because?

Just because.

That seems flippant.

So? Is there a law against being flippant?

People want to be taken seriously.

All the time? Forever? I don’t think so.

What kind of imagination is good imagination?

Every person makes that decision.

On what basis?

On whatever basis he chooses.

You keep coming back to the individual.

Who else should I come back to? A group?

What’s wrong with a group?

Just about everything.


A group doesn’t think or invent. After a certain point, it passes stale bread among its members.

So you advise leaving groups.

An artist works according to his own choices.

Suppose his choices are limited?

He has to widen them.


By deciding to.

Just like that?

Just like that.

Very few people can do that.

Really? How do you know?

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The author of three explosive collections, THE MATRIX REVEALED, EXIT FROM THE MATRIX, and POWER OUTSIDE THE MATRIX, Jon was a candidate for a US Congressional seat in the 29th District of California. He maintains a consulting practice for private clients, the purpose of which is the expansion of personal creative power. Nominated for a Pulitzer Prize, he has worked as an investigative reporter for 30 years, writing articles on politics, medicine, and health for CBS Healthwatch, LA Weekly, Spin Magazine, Stern, and other newspapers and magazines in the US and Europe. Jon has delivered lectures and seminars on global politics, health, logic, and creative power to audiences around the world. You can sign up for his free NoMoreFakeNews emails here or his free OutsideTheRealityMachine emails here.

3 comments on “Art and Reality: a dialogue, part two

  1. Paul says:

    “By that proposition, we’d all have zero imagination.”



    Nice !

  2. Paul says:

    I just finished reading it,
    And I must say
    That’s brilliant.

    I don’t know.
    Just because.
    Who else…?
    By deciding…
    Just like that.
    Really? How…?”


    [I just do].

    Veerrry Good Jon.

  3. Roundball Shaman says:

    “So you’re saying, in art a turtle can become a cigarette. Or a house or a cloud or a fountain pen. Why? There is no why.”

    Right now, we all might actually be SURROUNDED by a hundred turtles that appear to be cars or rocks or chairs in our room.

    There might be turtles right there in your living room. In your kitchen. In your bedroom. Inside and outside your car.

    But you don’t see them.

    So it’s not just ‘art as art’ where one thing can ‘become’ something else. These things could be happening right now in ‘real’ Life.

    ‘But that can’t be! If we were surrounded by turtles we’d all see them…’

    Really? Would you? Are you sure?

    We are all pre-disposed to see what we want to see. To see what we THINK we should be seeing. We see a shape and quickly put a label on it. Or, we see an outline and our brain quickly fills in the spaces with some self-generated notion of what you are looking it.

    AND SO… in truth we may be surrounded by all kinds of amazing things that we have trained ourselves NOT TO SEE.

    We do not see much of the light wave spectrum. We don’t hear much of the sound spectrum. In fact, we experience Life in narrow band only. Much of Reality is going on right now outside of our normal senses and awareness. It always is.

    So we don’t just need to be creative in our thinking and art. We need to be creative in our EXPERIENCE OF LIFE.

    We have to widen our senses and awareness and open ourselves to potentials and possibilities we never before imagined. Why? BECAUSE ALL THAT IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

    There is a whole (new?) World right now at our fingertips just begging for us to join in with.
    The World of the ‘Real’… and the World of the ‘Possible’… From which the World of the Real is born. And the things that are always there that we just don’t see.

    Turtles. Turtles! Do you see them?

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